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Stock Mark VIII LSC vs. "totally badass built Honda"
#1
Ok, well as some of you may know, for about a year, I had a Honda Accord I'd bought from my friend (I'd helped him build the car, so I was familiar with everything on it). It was built (I'll get to that later), pretty quick (I swear, when I had it, it was almost as fast as a Mark VIII... I just prefer domestics so I always favored my Mark VIII anyway), and didn't look too bad either. Well, the transmission was weak (auto), and eventually died, and I sold it to another friend for $2500.

Ok, here's the car's stats:

1994 Honda Accord DX 4 door
JDM H22A engine swap w/10,000 miles (H22 is a 2.2 DOHC VTEC for those not familiar)
Flat-top pistons
Stage 2 cams
Titanium valvetrain
Full 3" exhaust from the header back (H22's come with a factory 4-2-1 header stock rather than a standard exhaust manifold), no cat, import/fart muffler
The H22 transaxle had a LSD, but like I said, when I sold the car, it needed a new tranny
When the car was built, it dyno'ed 211 hp at the front wheels before the cams and valvetrain was added.


Ok, now that being said, I would consider it a nice show 'n go car. Definitely not a race car, but for a car that looked good (had alot of aftermarket body parts- not ricey. The riciest thing about it was the exhaust/muffler. It did have a wing, but it was a factory Accord spoiler, not some 3 ft monster like you see- basically, it was done tastefully. Otherwise, I wouldn't have wanted to buy it). Well, when I bought the car, I also got a set of 18" aluminum wheels with low-pros, the stock F22 engine and transmission and other parts, and when I sold the car, I passed those along with the car.

Well, ever since my friend bought the car, he's been talking shit to everybody around about how badass it is and all that. Well, he figured out the F22 transmission will fit on a H22 engine (for those that don't know, we're talking about a transmission built to handle all 140 hp the F22 puts out at the crank... not the best choice for a built engine, even if it is still a Honda 4-cylinder... it's like putting a stock Ford AOD behind a 500 hp smallblock). Well, he finally got everything done and got it out on the road, but while he was at it, he decided since the car was sooo totally badass, he'd strip out the interior and make it an all-out drag car. So now the car doesn't have door panels, only 2 speakers (this car had an awesome system in it at one time), and alot of other stuff removed. So much for the show 'n go thing, right?

Anyway, he decides to race me in my PARENTS' 96 Mark VIII LSC. Of course, it's bone-stock, slower than my 93, and remember, this Honda is "totally badass". Well, we went out on an abandoned country road in the middle of the night and made 2 runs: one from a 30-roll and one from a stop. On the 30 roll, I got him easy, was leading by about 5-7 carlengths by the time I hit 100, so I let out. From a stop, I let him get the launch (so he couldn't use that as an excuse), then left him by about 7-8 carlengths by the time I let out at 110. Of course, after I slowed down to about 60, he did the ricer flyby on me, so I guess he won that race???? :dunno: Either way, he hasn't shown his face at the local car-guy hangout since that night. I gotta admit, though, it was a fun race just because I was expecting him to have more for me than he did.
Formerly Custom72Continental



1996 Jaguar Vanden Plas, champagne w/ cream interior

1993 Lincoln Mark VIII, black w/ black interior

1972 Lincoln Mark IV, green w/green interior

1994 Honda Accord, built JDM H22A swap - SOLD

1988 Ford Crown Victoria LX - For sale
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#2
lol
97 LSC - blk/blk, Sniper Tuned, 13"cobra brakes, 05+ staggered saleen wheels, hubswapped, kybs, ss shock mounts, ss brake lines, JMOD, 4.10s, eaton truetrac, 8000k hid's, spider valve v3, x pipe, 3rd cat deleted, lms muffs, air silencer delete, k&n, 160* Tstat & MUCH More.
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#3
Quote:Well, he figured out the F22 transmission will fit on a H22 engine (for those that don't know, we're talking about a transmission built to handle all 140 hp the F22 puts out at the crank... not the best choice for a built engine, even if it is still a Honda 4-cylinder... it's like putting a stock Ford AOD behind a 500 hp smallblock).

Update: Well, I talked to him a couple days ago, and guess what... somehow, he cooked 2nd and 4th gears. He'd only had that car out on the streets for about 2 weeks to a month before he killed that weak F22 tranny. I tried to tell him to just do a performance rebuild on the H22 transmission or convert it to 5-speed, but apparently I don't know what I'm talking about. Guess who's putting the H22 transmission in a transmission shop for a performance rebuild right now? Wink
Formerly Custom72Continental



1996 Jaguar Vanden Plas, champagne w/ cream interior

1993 Lincoln Mark VIII, black w/ black interior

1972 Lincoln Mark IV, green w/green interior

1994 Honda Accord, built JDM H22A swap - SOLD

1988 Ford Crown Victoria LX - For sale
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#4
does he want to race my taurus? Smile

i'm having a lot of trouble convincing my brother that his 5 speed 07 Scion Tc with factory exhaust package is not as fast as my dad's 95 LSC or my 99 SHO. He tells me its as fast at the LSC and that the LSC probably can't do more than 145 or so (which his Scion tops at 137, so how could the LSC hit 145 and be slower?) since the SHO only does 144 and that's a 32V V8 too.

Too bad on that honda, i got a guy I know who sold his 350 whp 91 dodge stealth (really fantastic looking inside and out) for a 90 Accord with a turbo that he says is the fastest thing he's ever driven. My friend with the 94 stealth told him to his face he was an idiot, and about a week later he sold the Accord and bought his stealth back, and since has gutted the interior and is talking about making a race car out of it. Sorry but the Stealth's/3000GT's handling sucks!
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#5
lol, no way an 07 TC is gonna hang with/beat a Mark VIII. Granted, my Mark VIII isn't stock, but it's not built by any means either (Flowmasters, drilled airbox, silencer and resonator removed, and the rest is just handling/brake mods), and I raced a Scion TC 5 speed (not sure if the year, or if they increased hp from one year to another). The guy said it was some sort of "special edition" or something. Anyway, he had a header, exhaust, and a few other little things done to it, and I beat him by a couple carlengths (but this was on a short stretch, so we probably only hit 70 or so. I was still pulling when we had to let out). So I'd definitely say your SHO and your dad's Mark VIII could take him.

Yea, never underestimate those turbo'ed Hondas. In a car club I was in, we had a Civic coupe with a built B16 turbo that would beat C6 Corvettes! I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't been there and seen it with my own eyes. I didn't know the 3000GT/Stealths handled that bad. Are you talking about the VR4 AWD model? I've never driven one, but I've always liked the 3000GT VR4's.
Formerly Custom72Continental



1996 Jaguar Vanden Plas, champagne w/ cream interior

1993 Lincoln Mark VIII, black w/ black interior

1972 Lincoln Mark IV, green w/green interior

1994 Honda Accord, built JDM H22A swap - SOLD

1988 Ford Crown Victoria LX - For sale
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#6
Quote:The guy said it was some sort of "special edition" or something. Anyway, he had a header, exhaust, and a few other little things done to it, and I beat him by a couple carlengths

I think they all claim it's some sort of "special edition," so they dont have the embarrassment of driving a 2 door, cheap, camry. Scion's run maybe at best a 16 flat, and I'm pretty sure an LSC is good for mid 14s, the SHO runs mid-low 15's.

Yeah my friend had a 93 3000GT VR-4, but it was a 5 speed and kinda had some problems, ran a 13.2 @ 104, so he traded it in on a 94 Stealth R/T Turbo (AWD/AWS) that has a 6 speed. He talks like its the greatest handling in the world, but he is all straightline performance. The "handling" his car possesses, is just infinite amount of grip, but I've noticed it handles not much better than the SHO and while understeer isn't as big of an issue due to the 45/55 F/R torque split, it's not going to keep up with a 300Z or Cobra from the same era around a corner. Problem is with the AWD, AWS, and all the other crap they toss onto those cars they add up to around 3800 pounds. Means the car is impossible to roll and is stuck to the pavement like a its on rails but it also means you can't get enough steering, its impossible to get the back end to break loose even a little and just muscle through a corner.

He was humbled greatly by a Mach 1 that smoked him even off the line. It had different rear end gears and a few other mods, but nothing more than what his Stealth had. He kept trying to convince everyone the guy was using nitrous when they raced (the car was equipped with a huge shot of it), but even when I pointed out that the Mach 1 had 0-60 times below the VR-4/R/T Turbo from the factory, he still denied it could beat his car. Guess he just can't believe that a RWD car that is 10 years newer could launch as well as his AWD TT :/

He is a 2 door person, i dont think he'd ever buy a 4 door, and mocks me when I mentioned looking at a 2000 Volvo V70 R (260 hp / AWD) or 04 S60 R. I have a feeling that was part of the reason for mocking the Accord, but I honestly don't see that other guy's turbo'd accord as being fast. According to my friend, he raced a bolt-on WRX and a 99 Cobra and was smoked badly by both.
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